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THE WUSSIFICATION OF THE MALE

Is it about time for some information on this subject to come out or what!? There is a HUGE and growing rift in our society where many men are confused as to how women are behaving and treating them. And women are wondering, “Where are all the ‘real’ men?”
Are men supposed to be ultra ‘sensitive’ or wussified so that they kiss up to women all the time? No. I’m going to look at the root of where this came from. However, worse than the wussification of the male is something even grittier which is the real behavioural cause for most marriages failing.
Some people may think is blasphemy that I would even think it, yet, sadly it is true despite all violent opposition it may gain from progressive, educated, liberal, feminist thinkers and some of our media.
However it is up to you to deal with our modern social dynamics and know where you stand as a male in our modern society and for the rest of your life; especially in relating and living with women. It is up to each man to do his best part.
Ultimately relationships should be a good harmony between a man and woman. Hopefully I can bring that balance back or at least give the  male awareness of his own inherent power.
I feel and know that I am the messenger for this great social issue’s awareness because  

of the level of clarity I have realized after studying and observing relational social psychology, behaviour patterns, biology, tradition, religion, personal experience and cultural differentiation. Also because no one has even brought it up from a universal perspective.
Because of the inherent ‘truth’ of my discoveries and it’s multi-paradigm approach, man today can be re-awakened and empowered again.
The root of our problems are so obvious that the rest of the world must be snickering at the goings on in western culture. Why don’t any of them stand up and say anything? Maybe they are everyday; I don’t know.
Partly because I think most Westerners (sadly) wouldn’t believe them because we’re so busy, wrapped up in our cultural lifestyle (yes there is one), and only see what is right in front of us.
Even if someone was telling me some insight I would have filtered it out. We have to become ‘aware’ of it ourselves. With this information you can be aware for yourself.
As a Western society first world man myself who did realize the universal contextual dynamics without anyone telling me (through my own observations of cultural differentiation), I think Western men (and women) will stand up and listen to me.
We need an insider who ‘gets it’ and someone with enough balls to take on the media, imminent feminists, and jaw-dropping emotional retaliatory response from our female population to ‘start’ it going.
From there, men can start being open to their own right to power instead of wussiness and can spread it from there. The point for me is to just get the message out. I am founded in multiple paradigms of truth and this is where I draw my strength from and you can too.
The divergence and frustration in our society is reaching a peak in the last few years and it’s time for some universal clarity without the shallow solutions of pervasive 50/50 ‘dating advice’, ‘tips’, or ‘how to pick up chicks’.
This is the global macro-dynamics of our relationships and not a shallow fix. If you relate to women at all, then this concerns you.
Whether you may be more interested in the ‘short term’ success of ‘attracting women’ or not; these issues are far more important and essentially lead to your ultimate success anyways. None of those seduction experts bother to go into relationships because they


know that’s a big mess as well.
They are also unaware of the global dynamics which explains this behaviour in the first place that they are working against; they’re just happy to ‘see results’ because sex is a short term solution to a long term desire.
I will not be bashing women directly but rather looking at their own behaviour patterns (which I may bash) as part of the culture in which they were brought up; accepting that they are who they are, but not giving them any slack for it because as a man YOU have to know how to deal with it and where to stand.
I will say that part of the problem is that men are being wussies to women and this is part of what is making things worse in the short term but I think you can tell who is destroying the long term relationships (without their own awareness or acknowledgement).
Independent women have added unparalleled value to our society and culture and it wouldn’t be fair to not mention that here, but primarily, this is going to have a pro-male stance; it has to be because of the opposite is happening in our media and society.
However, I will cover things not from the angle of a solely ‘hardcore traditionalist’ (keep her barefoot and pregnant over the kitchen sink) but rather from a universal perspective that really puts the natural alignment back into place for men to be successful with women (hence giving women what they want in the short term).
Primarily this information will make a man more comfortable in who he is and in HIS relationship to our fragmented and flipped society.
I will purposely cover primarily the long-term view for two reasons:
#1: It is what really matters the most throughout a man’s life (unless he really is a permanent bachelor) and his dedication of time, money, destiny and peace
#2: The global perspective of ‘stepping forward’ to explain the results, consequences, reality and ultimately the foundational behaviour patterns and dynamics of our wussified society (and the powerful women) is more important than short-term sex or even a ‘dating fixation’ which may lead to disaster in the long run with the wrong type of woman
 

Let me talk about the ‘wussification’ of the Western man and get straight to the point. Today men are acting unnaturally around women, especially when meeting them and even dating them.
This is vastly hurting their chances of success in dating. Unfortunately few can look beyond at the REAL consequences of this type of woman to prevent disaster ahead; but before I primarily talk about the long-term dynamics here I’ll say some more about the wussyness factor upfront when meeting women (no one talks about the long term REALITY).
Women WILL often reject men even before they approach her. Why? She has extrasensory perception and intuition of body language. She knows where he is coming from.
Her social prowess is very adept at picking these things up, so much so that a man may not even be aware but she has already decided if he has a chance or not. It’s more important that a man ‘be’ a man that knows how to make her feel the inherent magic of her own unexplainable and biological response mechanisms.
She’ll say she wants one thing and obviously go for another because of how the man ‘makes her feel’. Looks aren’t important anymore because the real counterparts of our hottest women, have for the most part become wussies.
They kiss up to her, give her the power and let her squeeze their balls. She doesn’t want this power and she can’t tell him how to be or not to be. She’s waiting for a man who just KNOWS how to ‘be a man’ who she can respond to and start the sexual mating dance with.
Most men are not behaving like their real self around women and women are wondering “where are all the ‘real’ men”? Men think that being nice to her will work and they see her run off with a bad boy while she cries on the nice guy’s shoulder.
She can tell they are being weak. She doesn’t want another ‘wussboy’ at her heels who sucks onto her energy like a leech and keeps calling her or wanting to buy her things. He’s essentially trying to cover up the fact that he wants to get into her pants by putting on a facade upfront and really not being his true self.
A woman respects honesty and congruency. If she can see who a man is who doesn’t make apologies for who he is; she knows he’s not a wuss (unless he proves wrong and turns sappy after a few weeks professing his love for her and then it’s over).
Wussies are coming from a shaky foundation in the first place that isn’t natural.
 They are doing what society has taught them to do; ‘court her’ and take her on traditional dates.

Well, times have changed and there’s too much implied intention and pressure on women in these scenarios. Today’s women are more carefree and do want things to happen naturally. Plus, they’re being chased by all kinds of wussies that they just don’t have time for.
These men think that because they’re interested in her that she’ll be interested in them; NOT if they’re acting like a wussy. A wuss is someone who is just handing over the power and favour to her, often without even knowing it.
Most of these men (and I used to be a wussboy as well) really are great guys with a lot to offer but are confused as to why women are the way they are.
I could talk on and on about ‘how’ men are wussies (from buying her things to impress her to chasing her instead of her chasing him to just not being his true self up front with her) but it’s more important to understand how we were wussified.
From there it’s even more important to briefly look at the long-term dynamics that even 50/50 relationship counsellors can’t grasp because of their limited vision. Yes it’s going to piss people off but am I dependent on ‘having to’ marry a western woman just because I’m here? No.
You don’t have to deal with it or accept it yourself; it’s not ‘running’ from anything (actually it is..running from turmoil), instead it’s wanting peace and fulfilment by making an educated life decision and not being sucked into a trap if there are warning signs.
This may seem a little out there for you to even comprehend if you’re thinking of course I’d marry a western woman...well...just think about things, that’s all. Look at what’s really going on in marriages here. If you’re still single, you don’t ‘owe’ any woman anything.
You can see how adamant I am about the long term issue but before that continues let me cover more of how we became ‘wussified’ in the first place. Athrough it’s historical and cultural coverage but basically in western culture its different. Who we are as a culture has become invisible and second nature to those of us who are in it.
We take what we see for granted. Little do most of us realize that our culture is quite different from other cultures around the world. More importantly, our behaviour patterns are distinctively different from other culture’s around the world still despite much global influence.  

Most countries are still grounded in tradition; they are slower to change than the Western societies...ironically their divorce rates are much lower.
The wussification of the male population began with the empowerment of woman. Basically around the suffrage movement in the early 1900’s and getting women to vote.
I’m not here to argue about the empowerment of women; feminism has a lot of advantages but unfortunately it’s GREATLY affected our relationship dynamics for the worse and both sexes are suffering.
Today women have more power than ever before and are man’s equal on many fronts. Of course we take this for granted as just part of who we are and how we live. No one questions it.
Little does anyone (especially most relationship counsellors) realize that the real cause has been covered up in the first place. We just ‘deal’ with the fact that women are independent today and that’s how it is...most counsellors and lawsuits ironically favour women anyways and this doesn’t help either.
Men have become wussified through our society and cultural and it’s influences. The media has had a big role to play in this. The days of ‘Leave it to Beaver’ or “leave it to her indoors” are over.
Despite all of the glamour and glory of our beautiful social exterior as a collective society, there is a lot of hurt going on inside; especially in relationships.
The portrayal and exploitation of beauty and it’s consistent inundation has become so pervasive that of course we are used to it) but it really has a big effect on the wussification of the Western society man.
They allow themselves to fantasize about the women they see and become so emotional about it by lingering on the topic that when they see a woman in public who has this social level of validation that they instantly connect her beauty to, they become weak and when she turns him down (rooted because of the power shift) he wants her even more.
And if he keeps looking more and more at pictures of ‘beautiful’ or ‘sexy’ women he’ll continue to build the value of it in his own mind and he’ll want it even more because he ‘can’t have it’.
Women continue to treat him like this (for their place in our ‘forced reality’) and he become
 more escapist and repressed. It changes his behaviour and the way he acts towards women even if he is a grounded man in all other ways; he’s not being himself, he’s being a ‘wuss’ just by his body language and actions upon the sight of someone he perceives to match this ‘ideal’.
The entire glorification and edification of beauty this ‘forced reality’ has given women more power than ever before in history and some of the world is still looking on in shock. You have to understand that this didn’t exist before.
The Western society was (and arguably still is) the most progressive Society in the world, leading in many industries, civil rights, women’s rights, equal opportunity and more. It was probably inevitable that her power was going to happen. Am I saying there’s anything wrong with it?
I’m saying there are implications both good and bad (both extremes), but what I think most of our women are underestimating is that their traditional female counterparts around the world (while not having as many ‘options’ in life), are quite content to play their natural and biological role of nurturing, raising a family and being a mother and often times don’t WANT to have the level of opportunity Western women do because they clearly see what it’s done to families.
You start giving this level of power and opportunity to women elsewhere in the world (as is happening in major cities worldwide), she will be influenced but will normally hold true to the base cultural context of her country.
This means that in a strongly traditional culture (Japan, Thailand, etc.) women should keep it in check without getting too independent because they know that they’ll turn away men who want to marry them because they won’t be as good of a housewife and supporter of her husband.
It’s just in the western society that we promote this and actively want women to express their freedoms but it just ends up hurting relationships and the women would never acknowledge it was ‘them’ who was doing it. Remember our men are acting more biologically accurate in the long-term, and sorry to say but are women aren’t.
I have to give it to the conservatives who have been saying that tradition is what works and is the way it’s supposed to be for long term success. Our cultural defiance of that tradition and her empowerment to create a 50/50 society is now so strong it affects almost people in the entire Western Society
Because of this level of permeation, men on a mass scale over the last several decades have become weaker and weaker generally with the more power we have given to  

women. I’m sorry but I don’t know what’s going to happen if Hillary becomes President that will HELP guys become less of a wussy.
I would predict that silently the men of the first world(& the rest of western society) would become even more wussified, women would become even more empowered than ever before, our media would step things up a couple notches and there’ll be an EVEN greater need for this information (and the success with women information).
Women are free to go about their lives as men once did (objectively stating) and the wussy men are now becoming the matches to these dominant women.
It’s up to you whether you want to fall for this long term. Your awareness is your key to power so you can change. Short term you have unlimited options for short term relationships (without the drama) once you understand how to live in the natural paradigm of your reality instead of seeing the forced reality, but here I
really want you to see the big picture.
Just listen to the words of feminists and how they view men and you’ll see a big clue into why our marriages are failing. Women are strong and they’re ‘proud’ of it...what does this mean in a marriage though?
Who is going to lead? You can see why there’s turmoil because the power struggle ensues. I’ve seen and experienced personally around married families and we ALL know couples that have trouble and that have broken up; we take it for granted.
She wasn’t ‘supposed’ to have this power; it’s not accounted for in the Bible or elsewhere. Although it’s great in certain ways, it’s unnaturally shifted the relationships dynamics and caused men to be intimidated, oppressed and wussified by her ‘aura’, power and the growing cultural representation that men are weaker sex (maybe it started with Roseanne, maybe earlier).
We used to have Archie Bunker with ‘All in the Family’ on one extreme and now we have ‘Will & Grace’ towards the other extreme. I’ve only seen a few minutes of each show but I know what the relationship dynamics are.
I think it’s depressing that so many sitcoms don’t show alpha male behaviour but instead have strong women and ‘sensitive’ men where often times the woman will be the smart one and save the day while men are portrayed as bumbling idiots.
Our media continues to propagate feminine beauty because ‘sex sells’ and the fact that women aren’t ‘giving it up’ to every wussy that comes along puts them further up the pedestal to make sex sell even more.


Western culture consumes glamour, beauty and porn like mad. Women become the ‘goddesses’ to the average guy who would ‘do anything’ to be with her. He is influenced by what he sees and then listens to our song lyrics that just REEK of male wussiness.
This especially apparent in the last decade. This is further making the wussification more eminent. Lyrics like ‘She’s so high above me’, ‘I’d die for her’, ‘I’d do anything for love’, etc.
And these are often catchy songs that women will love too because it’s ‘emotional’ and is connecting with her altruistic social persona’s ideal of a man professing his undying love for her.
This makes our women run in real life. It’s the crap all kinds of guys want to profess to her before he even knows her or who she really is. He’s placing his ideal onto her.
They have these wussies chasing their tails everywhere and can’t get rid of them. You have to look at the behaviour of women in how they act and react with men and not at what they say they want or feel sappy about.
Cinderella used to want her Prince Charming and he was a nice guy. Most Western men are nice guys at heart. Our women are not behaving naturally (on a deep evolutional level) anymore and therefore may dream of Prince Charming because of the stories they were told to find a nice guy who could ‘take care of them’.
Now our ‘Cinderella’s’ are falling for the bad boy hanging on the outside of the ballroom steps. Why?
Because her alpha male options have run dry; her real counterparts aren’t acting like alpha male men anymore so she has to accept what’s left. If you look deeply Prince Charming wasn’t really a wuss; he was a good looking guy who had his act together who would make a great husband.
Most men in the world aren’t wusses because their women actually RESPOND to nice guy behaviour (hard to believe isn’t it? I’ve experienced it countless times myself); otherwise we’d all go extinct.
You’re not the problem. You shouldn’t ‘want’ to be a bad boy just to align yourself with these women’s model of reality. It’s dangerous, imbalanced and unstable.
Our women have run out of options because our men have edified them too much and have changed their own behaviour; they’re treating every hot women that comes along as another Queen and they as the servant just by their own body language (in which  
their unstable thoughts are transmitted). Prince Charming wasn’t Cinderella’s ‘servant’. Our society has twisted this out of proportion.
Then we have our movies. “Just tell her how you feel” is in countless movies. Most of this stuff actually works on really traditional and emotionally balanced, healthy women but you have to be careful there because there is usually more expected commitment on your part.
There is a great incongruence on different levels in our society; no wonder men are confused. Movies will end with the guy profession his love to her and kissing her but we don’t see what happens afterwards that if she’s a feisty one they’re going to break up because he was a wussy.
Men can be charming as long as they are grounded in their own reality; it’s a mixture of behaviour that intrigues women. It’s just the way I am and most men are trying to figure out how to act around women when it doesn’t even matter if you’re grounded in the natural reality of not giving up your own power.
You aren’t selling out to her but every now and then you’ll do something that really pleases and surprises that SHOWS how much you really do care for her. Don’t ever tell her “I love you” 100 times a day like some sources literally suggest and women say they want you to (socially programmed); that is super wuss. You communicate more strongly through your actions that you’re there for her, etc.
You have to live in your reality if you want real success in life and with women. If you get wrapped up in what society’s pervasively throwing at you of all the wrong things to do (because our women have changed) you’ve most surely been wussified.
If we had a nation of women that were more traditional, say like our grandmothers were, we wouldn’t have as much excitement in our culture, true but we would have much more stable relationships.
The book and movie ‘Stepford Wives’ is another by product of our ‘forced reality’. It thinks it’s getting a lesson through but I can see right through it and so can the rest of the world.
They’re almost making fun of the fact that traditional women are comically brain dead; I think this is an INSULT to most of the women in the world who are raising stable, healthy families.
How about ‘Mona Lisa Smile’? Another by product of our ‘forced reality’. An independent teacher (Julia Roberts) encourages her traditional female students to be independent
when they just want to be good housewives.
It’s pathetic how no one can see what’s going on...we just take it for granted without viewing it from another context of realizing that this social programming ‘encouraging’ women to grow (amongst other things) is the root of our relationship failures.
This subject of media influence is so pervasive over the past decades I could go on for days on how it has affected the wussiness of the Western male (Martha Stewart, Mr. Mom, divas, actresses, etc.) and the newfound power of the female, leading to drastic relationship consequences.
Even the movie, ‘Cheaper by the Dozen’ the wife really is a super mum and never left the kids until she writes a book and has to leave them with the busy dad ‘Steve Martin’. She starts to realize her own independence (which is great BUT...) and views the situation in a whole different light.
Simply to say, Steve Martin becomes the semi-wussy dad ‘trying to pull things together’ comically and she has much sharper responses after she comes back from her trip.
Times have changed, things are more complicated but you have to get a grasp on the main issues if you want the most control and choice in your life. You can STILL find women who want to raise a family and support you as #1 and head of the household but there are very few left in our society if any at all (who haven’t been influenced by our social programming).
There are millions of available women in the world who would be a tremendous RELIEF to  men if they just knew how different and refreshing things WOULD be, with these women who don’t expect much more than for you to lead the way and provide. You wouldn’t be challenged all the time or cut down, oppressed AND..you wouldn’t have to be a confused wussy (if you ever were).
Take a look at the Russian Bride trend. This is just one of the many paradox outlets I talk about. There’s solid reasoning behind this and the way I see it, you’re not less of a man to go that route but someone who has chosen to take his power back in a different way instead of leaving our society tell you what to do.
Men aren’t aware that beneath the forced reality is the natural paradigm of which he can be most successful with women that women are begging for (where are all the real men) but the long term dynamics are a sticky issue with these women.
Sure our women will be shocked I might try to sway the power back to where it belongs (in relationships that work) but after all of the frustration, confusion and inevitable
 anger men have put up with it’s about time our women had a taste of their own medicine to feel some of the consequences of their own behaviour.
I really don’t plan on marrying a Western woman; the way I see it, they don’t stand a chance of ‘catching me’ and I’m NOT a super geek (well..part of me is); I’m a cool guy, normal social status with a lot going on.
What happens when you take your power back and let them prove themselves and still understand she doesn’t have much of a chance for the long term...? Well, short term might work out on your own schedule because you don’t really care anyways because you’re not a wuss.
When you’re dewussified, you have your own power and control back. You’re not dependent, clingy or needy on ANY woman. You will slap yourself for not seeing these things sooner and you will laugh at how tragically ridiculous everything going on is but you will be cured and realigned to have the greatest success with women and
potentially long term peace

Let’s look deeper into the long-term relationship aspects which may be quite boring to you if you only want to get a quick fix of getting laid; then at least come back when you’re ready to move on in your life because you’ll find information here that may shockingly open your mind to the reality of life with the counterpart of the average western society husband.
As in the words of Bill Engvall and I paraphrase, “Honey, I’m cold...” and I got up and walked over to put the heat on...and she probably called her mother and said, “ I’ve got him...”’ It starts slowly...








With the shift of power, man has become CONFUSED. It was his role to be the natural leader and all of a sudden he is competing with women and often being outperformed by them. They hold higher positions than him in the work environment, etc.
A woman’s power and ‘who she is’ obviously extends into her relationships with men. She expects things. She can take of herself. She is opinionated and goal-oriented. She has taken on the roles that man used to have available to him.
So what does this do to a relationship? Where do I start? At best, our relationships with these empowered women have become 50/50. Even alpha males themselves are caught up in massive power struggles with an independent woman in a relationship.
They are both used to ‘leading’. Obviously this creates drama, turmoil, tension especially after the initial sparks (she’s so much ‘like’ me).
Finding a woman who ‘has it all together’ may seem GREAT when ‘dating’ but unfortunately means that your long-term relationship has AT LEAST a 50% chance of NOT being together.
Even more if you are an alpha male who is very set in your ways and opinionated. She’s become too much like a man. There is no one to suck up all of the drama, energy and light like there used to be...except, the WUSSBOY.
The thing is, I don’t believe all men are supposed to be wussies; I know they aren’t. Nature and evolution and theocracy says they aren’t. Who is the ultimate wussboy? How about a 40 year old virgin?
Take this apply it across an entire country who is confused or intimidated by our independent and GPPS (gold-plated pussy syndrome) or ‘pussy power’ women; then what?
No one would be procreating and we would eventually become extinct. This is a defiance of nature. All species naturally know how to perpetuate themselves without anyone have to teach them. But something called the ‘forced reality’ has changed this.
This social and cultural reality we have placed upon the traditional and biological reality of our grandparent’s generation (and the dominant paradigm in most of the world) has thrown the power balance off and deeply affected man’s behaviour and how he views women.


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Something true in all this. At last something alpha-man related is to durable relationships. But it should be observed a little bit deeper maybe around us to find it to be a little bit more congruent to ourselves
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i thing so but we have to improve our skill to be better than girls couse we are males not females


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